I'm attempting to hammer this point until it gets through even the thickest heads:
Open air fires cannot melt steel.
Got that?
Need more proof?
Go ask a fireman.
Let me present to you a report by Robert Anderson, back in 2003:
Fire Dept Tape Invalidates Key Points of Official 911 Story [edit] By Robert Anderson 3rd August 2003 TOP_VIEW Internet News Inc.
Most people -- or certainly many people, especially in the U.S. -- believe the complete structural failure and total collapse of the World Trade Center towers was caused by the combustion of large quantities of jet fuel, dispersed and ignited after "hijacked" jets crashed into each tower on Sept. 11, 2001. That is the scenario promulgated to the far corners of the globe by official U.S. government sources.
Interestingly, jet fuel -- somewhat similar to common kerosene and not much different than charcoal lighter fluid -- burns at roughly 875 degrees. Whether a little or a lot of fuel is burned, it still burns at roughly the same temperature. Now: Think about all the kerosene burning in all those kerosene heaters (and lanterns), constructed primarily of thin, low-grade, steel sheet metal. Think about all those kerosene heaters burning merrily away, with temperatures perhaps approaching 875 degrees at the hottest. Think about how parts of all those kerosene heaters would then turn into bubbling pools of melted steel before the horrified eyes of countless poor souls who had no idea the fuel used in their heaters would actually "MELT" the heaters themselves.
Of course, this does NOT happen -- which gives us a pretty good idea that what had been sold far and wide by the U.S. government and innumerable media outlets as the "cause" of the trade center towers' collapse is in fact absolute fiction and fantasy, without the slightest shred of scientific fact or collaborative evidence and testimony to support such monstrous and utter nonsense. Hardened steel such as that used in the WTC beams and girders needs temperatures of approximately TWENTY-EIGHT HUNDRED (2,800) degrees to actually melt, and temperatures approaching 2,000 degrees to turn bright red and soften,
The official version of the collapse of the WTC towers is -- again -- that burning jet fuel eventually melted or liquefied the massive and seriously hard steel beams of the WTC tower(s), to the point where the beams all gave way, unilaterally and simultaneously throughout both the gigantic structures and causing their total and nearly instantaneous collapse. Well, if such doesn't happen with kerosene heaters, you can bet it doesn't happen to huge steel-beamed buildings -- and indeed it never has; especially when the fires which supposedly "caused" such total structural failure had in fact long since largely burned themselves out.
In fact, nearly a year after the monumental and treacherous catastrophe which struck lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001, an audio tape of firefighter communications was finally released -- which proves that the actual conditions at and near the point of impact in the north WTC tower only moments before the building's collapse were totally inconsistent with the conditions which had to have existed for the official version to be even minimally correct.
Firefighters who had reached the eightieth floor of the north tower reported they were eyewitnesses to fact much of the fire caused by burning jet fuel had by then largely burned out, although some burning and smoldering areas still remained. Not once did firefighters on site at " ground zero" of ground zero indicate the slightest concern that fires were still burning at an intensity which threatened their own or others' safety -- certainly not that conditions were so severe that the very integrity of the entire structure itself was threatened! On the contrary: they indicated that conditions were controllable: that they planned to conduct survivors safely out of the building, and to then bring in equipment and personnel to extinguish any remaining burning/smoldering areas.
And what, exactly, does all this mean? It means that the total structural failure of the two massive, superbly-engineered/designed edifices known as the WTC towers did NOT result from jet fuel flash-fires burning at under 900 degrees Fahrenheit -- when steel used in WTC construction needed temperatures over THREE TIMES HIGHER to actually "MELT."
And THIS means that the towers were in fact toppled by use of BOMBS or similar methods.
And THIS means that a stupendously far-reaching conspiracy and cover-up -- involving the highest levels of US government -- lies behind the 9-11 "attacks on America".
Oh, dear...it looks as if the dam is fit to burst, eh, dear readers?
The scuttlebutt on this video is that it's being removed faster than Jenna Bush's underwear at a frat house (I was gonna say Lindsey Lohan, but I LOVE that girl...and I don't like our scumbag lapdog media trying to portray her in a similar light as our recently-married cum-dumpster...oh...THAT'S gonna leave a mark!); but this should convince even the retarded among us that the three buildings that "failed", "blew up", "came down", whatever bloody euphemism one wishes to use, WERE BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
As far as the buildings...how does one reconcile the actual physics and chemistry involved? And those are my weakest science subjects!
I wonder if people realize that they paid to hear Rudolph Giuliani lie to them for over six years? Maybe that's why his campaign went into the shitter! Ha ha, scumbag!
You see, for me, it's a matter of these fucking retards lying to my face about what occurred - the whole story is a farce from beginning to end.
Some idiot ex-CIA guy is actually the leader of some rebel force that is so fearsome, they named themselves after a toilet - this guy is also on a dialysis machine, yet is able to elude any and all forces sent to detain him! Wow! Colonel Kurtz's got nothing on this guy!
Now...he informs the Israelis, and they are able to send out a warning...how nice.
Meanwhile, back in NYC, it's a crystal-clear day...four planes take off from Logan Airport...security managed by an Israeli firm...hey...did they get that warning, too?
Willie Brown knows not to fly.
The Senate is on Cipro.
Salman Rushdie is barred from flying.
First plane impacts with WTC2 - The Monkey King states that he saw the first impact as it occurred...imagine that.
There are Israelis doing the frickin' Riverdance all over the city. Some are so excited, they left their businesses in the WTC buildings! Some, days earlier.
White vans with "non-Arab Middle Easterners" pop up like Sir Charge in that not-so-great Whack-A-Octogenarian commercial (the first Sir Charge commercial was genius...but they "jumped the shark" on the concept already). Ooohh...the bomb-sniffing dogs are going wild! Too bad that they had been removed from the WTC complex in the weeks before the infamous "event".
Binyamin Netanyahu realizes, "Hey - this is frickin' great - now the whole damn world will stop criticizing us on our "appropriation" of Palestine...eh...what? No, schmuck, I meant Jerusalem!"
Another plane...er...where's our air defense?
Richard B. "Skeletor" Cheney: "Hey...just for laughs, let's have a commercial plane totally violate the air space of the NERVE CENTER OF THE UNITED STATES' DEFENSE DEPARTMENT!!! Then let's hide all of the video! The CT's will be eating their own feces trying to figure out what happened!"
Oh, crap! You mean the frickin' passengers got into the cockpit and saw that NO ONE'S FLYING THE DAMN PLANE?!? Shite! SHOOT THAT FUCKER DOWN! And get Ted Olson's wife to do a reading for us...you have that voice-morphing software ready to go? Let's start with this Mark Bingham guy..."
Hey...bonanza! Not only did we happen to pop the trunk of the guy who took the terrorists to the airport; we got two, count 'em, TWO, passports! Geez, I need a suit made out of this stuff.
Folks...I could rant on and on...but it's annoying, I'm sure, to constantly listen to someone sound so bloody self-righteous all the time, yes? I believe that this is the main problem facing the various September 11th Truth Factions. You see...right-wing radio shows conduct what they call "drive-by" broadcasts, saying whatever crap they can make up at the time, then having sycophants to cement said issue in the "minds" of the dittoheads/Factor fans, etc; while left-wing broadcasters heap boring-ass fact after boring-ass fact onerously one after another, until even the most die-hard truth-seeker is dulled into a coma.
Well...my case is a bit different than most.
I DON'T LIKE BEING LIED TO BY IDIOTS.
And understand this: anyone who thought that after watching those damned buildings come down in the fashion that they did, that they were felled by AIRPLANES...ahh...you really are a complete dullard. You DESERVE to be euthanized, sterilized, and relegated to being a "useless eater", and you should consider yourself a complete waste of oxygen.
That's all for now.
UPDATE: Senator Ted Kennedy is relaxing in a hospital after reports that he was suffering from seizures...so, I'm watching CNN, and of course, the candidates are taking this opportunity to give their well wishes to their fellow senator...but I was INCENSED to see ShillarySTANDING IN FRONT OF MAKER'S MARK WHISKEY BARRELS AS SHE GAVE HER "BEST WISHES"!
One might think that it was a nice thing to do, considering if one knows anything about Senator Edward Kennedy, he likes his booze (much as a certain political upstart does, as well), but I consider it a subconscious dig at her fellow senator. If anyone has a screenshot, please send it my way...I need a new wallpaper for my iBook.
Senator Kennedy, I hope to see you in a new man-tailored shirt soon, er ah...
But yesterday she told reporters and editors at the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that she would have left her church if her pastor had said the kinds of things about the US government and the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks that the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. did. Posted Mar 26, 2008 10:52 AM PST Category: POLITICS/ELECTIONS/CORRUPTION
Hillary is trying to shift the focus off of her outright lies about Tusla (etc. etc. ad infinitum) and back onto the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
So, since Hillary wants to continue to play guilt-by-association, I offer up the following with the request that everyone copy and send this information to every newspaper and TV station that carries Hillary's attacks on Rev. Wright. PHOTOGRAPH OF COCAINE SMUGGLER JORGE CABRERA WITH HILLARY CLINTON.
Jorge Cabrera is a convicted drug dealer and friend of Fidel Castro.
Some News Coverage
MIAMI -- Jorge Cabrera, a drug smuggler who has emerged as one of the most notorious supporters of President Clinton's re-election campaign, was asked for a campaign contribution in the unlikely locale of a hotel in Havana by a prominent Democratic fund-raiser, congressional investigators have learned.
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On his return to the United States several days after that meeting, in November 1995, Cabrera wrote a check for $20,000 to the Democratic National Committee from an account that included the proceeds from smuggling cocaine from Colombia to the United States, said the investigators, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
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In early January 1996, three weeks after having attended the Christmas reception at the White House, Cabrera was arrested and charged with importing 6,000 pounds of cocaine into the United States on boats through the Florida Keys. Late last year, he pleaded guilty to those charges and was sentenced to 19 years in federal prison and fined $1.5 million.
----- Drug Smuggler Made Clinton Donation in Cuba, Investigators Say By DON VAN NATTA Jr. New York Times April 4, 1997
MIAMI -- Jorge Cabrera, a drug smuggler who has emerged as one of the most notorious supporters of President Clinton's re-election campaign, was asked for a campaign contribution in the unlikely locale of a hotel in Havana by a prominent Democratic fund-raiser, congressional investigators have learned.
The investigators said the fund-raiser, whom they identified as Vivian Mannerud, a Cuban-American businesswoman from Miami, told Cabrera at a meeting at the Copacabana Hotel in Havana that in exchange for a contribution he would be invited to a fund-raising dinner in honor of Vice President Al Gore in an exclusive enclave near Miami.
Ms. Mannerud owns Airline Brokers Co., an airline charter service that operates among Havana, the Bahamas and Mexico.
On his return to the United States several days after that meeting, in November 1995, Cabrera wrote a check for $20,000 to the Democratic National Committee from an account that included the proceeds from smuggling cocaine from Colombia to the United States, said the investigators, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Within two weeks of the contribution, Cabrera met Gore at the dinner in Miami. Ten days later, Cabrera attended a Christmas reception at the White House hosted by Hillary Rodham Clinton. At the events, Gore and Mrs. Clinton posed for photographs with Cabrera, who has two felony convictions dating from the 1980s and is now in a prison here on a drug-smuggling conviction.
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MORE STORIES ABOUT JORGE
Photo Op With First Lady
White House Refuses To Release Photos.
White House Finally Releases Photos.
Cabrera as informant
CHAPTER 2:
PHOTOGRAPH OF CRIME LORD NG LAP SENG WITH HILLARY CLINTON.
Here we have a photo taken at an official DNC fundraiser with Bill and Hillary posed with Ng Lap Seng, Macau Crime Lord who controls Prostitution in that region. His Fortuna Hotel is actually a high class bordello where young girls (often underage) are available for a price. Ng, through his American contact Charlie Trie, donated close to a million dollars to the Democrats.
This is a straight report from Michael Rivero's page - may he forgive me...
At any rate, it seems that "Cankles" Clinton will indeed invoke the "Tonya Harding" option; which is to say that if she can't gain the Democratic nomination, well, then NO ONE WILL.
Something else that made me nuts today... Home » Blogs » Poseidon's blog WTC molten molybdenum cover-up
Forensic evidence of controlled demolitions at the World Trade Center continues to pile up. The official conspiracy theory, of three high-rise collapses resulting from impact damage and regular office compartment fires caused by "suicidal Muslim aircraft hijackers", can only be sustained by criminal control of media, political and business leaders.
Solid evidence of molten iron and extremely high temperatures that cannot be accounted for by hydrocarbons burning in air, corroborates numerous reports of molten steel that was still running weeks after the 9/11 attacks, and confirms that the perpetrators employed aluminothermic reactions as accelerants in order to guarantee total collapse of the Twin Towers and Building 7.
Conventional compartment fires (even including jet fuel which in any case burns up within a few minutes) are only capable of maximum gas temperatures around 1,000 ºC or 1,832 ºF. And that's for 20 minutes or so at any particular point whilst local combustibles are consumed, before cooling to 500 ºC or lower. In fact, the NIST paint study concluded that "of the more than 170 areas examined on the exterior panels, only three locations had a positive result indicating that the steel may have reached temperatures in excess of 250 ºC". And a core column tested which had some surrounding fire was found to have peaked at lower than 200 ºC.
A paper by Dr. Steven E. Jones, Dr. Jeffrey Farrer, Dr. Gregory S. Jenkins, Dr. Frank Legge, James Gourley, Kevin Ryan, Daniel Farnsworth, and Dr. Crockett Grabbe in the Volume 19 - January 2008 online edition of the Journal of 9/11 Studies has details of analyses of the WTC dust. An "abundance of tiny solidified droplets roughly spherical in shape (spherules) in the WTC dust samples" was observed. Many of these spherules were found to be iron-rich, indicating that iron had melted. The melting point of iron is 1,538 °C (2,800 °F). There is also evidence of molten molybdenum (melting point 2,623 ºC = 4,753 ºF).
The Jones et al paper starts with their own analysis of dust samples, and goes on to discuss relevant previously published data. Here is an excerpt.
Abstract In an effort to better understand the conditions that led to complete collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC 7, we apply scanning-electron-microscope (SEM) and energy dispersive x-ray spectroscopy (XEDS) methods to analyze the dust generated, with an emphasis on observed micro-spheres in the WTC dust. The formation of molten spheres with high iron contents along with other species in the WTC dust required extremely high temperatures. Our results are compared with those of other laboratories. The temperatures required for the molten sphere-formation and evaporation of materials as observed in the WTC dust are significantly higher than temperatures associated with the burning of jet fuel and office materials in the WTC buildings.
1. Introduction The events of 9/11/2001 were tragic and at the same time remarkable in their physical aspects, such as the completeness and rapidity of collapse of three skyscrapers and the large volume of fine toxic dust generated. In order to better understand these events, we obtained and examined two independent dust samples acquired very soon after 9/11/2001. The provenance of the two samples analyzed for this paper is described in the appendix. It is worth emphasizing that both of the samples were collected indoors and shortly after the 9/11/2001 event. One sample was collected on an indoor window sill on 9/14/2001, just three days after the disaster while searching for survivors in the rubble was ongoing, and in a building four blocks from ground zero. The other sample was acquired inside a fourth-floor apartment (whose upper windows broke during the WTC collapse) a few days later. We sought for samples acquired very soon after the collapses in order to drastically reduce any chance of contamination by clean-up operations (see Appendix). Furthermore, as we shall see, samples independently collected by other researchers corroborate the high-temperature indicators we observe.
2. Methods A FEI XL30-SFEG scanning electron microscope (SEM) equipped with an EDAX Genesis X-ray energy dispersive spectrometry (XEDS) system was used to acquire XEDS spectra. A silicon detector (SiLi) with resolution better than 135 eV was used. The display resolution was set to 10 eV per channel. The operating conditions for the dust analyses were 20 keV, and 60-120 second acquisition time (livetime). The samples were analyzed at a 10 millimeter working distance and were mounted on carbon conductive tabs. Optical examination of the dust samples was conducted using a stereomicroscope (Nikon Epiphot 200) having a magnification range from 10-200X .
3. Results We found an abundance of tiny solidified droplets roughly spherical in shape (spherules) in the WTC dust samples as shown in figure 1 (optical microscope) and figure 2 (Scanning Electron Microscope).
WTC High Temps Fig 1 Figure 1. Optical micrograph of collected dust particles observed in WTC dust sample 2, showing shiny metallic and semi-transparent silicate-rich spherules. (For example, the pillshaped droplet at far right is silicate rich.) WTC High Temps Fig 2 Figure 2. An SEM image from sample 2 shows a number of spherules along with other dust particles.
The spherules found in the WTC dust were predominately iron-rich (appearing metallic) and silicates (appearing glassy under an optical microscope). We observed spherules in a wide range of diameters, from about 1 micron to 1.5 mm. Figures 3 -5 provide X-ray energy dispersive spectra for observed iron-rich spherules from the WTC dust.
WTC High Temps Fig 3 Figure 3. XEDS spectrum for a typical metal-rich spherule, observed in sample 1. K and L lines for noted elements are labeled. Elemental contents in atomic percent are approximately: O (63), Si (14), Fe (11), Al (9), K (1), Mg (0.4), Na (0.4), Ni (0.3) and S (0.2); the small C peak is likely from the carbon conductive tab used to hold the sample.
WTC High Temp Fig 4 Figure 4. XEDS spectrum for the largest metal-rich spherule found in sample 2. K and L lines for noted elements are labeled after the element symbol. Elemental contents in atomic percent are approximately: Fe (65), O (18), Al (11), S (4), Cu (0.6), Mn (0.6), Ni (0.4); the small C peak is likely from the carbon conductive tab used to hold the sample. The Fe-S-Al-O signature is striking, nothing like the signature of structural steel. Note also: Sulfur peak without a calcium peak, so the sulfur is not from calcium-sulfate contamination (gypsum).
WTC High Temp Fig 5 Figure 5. XEDS spectrum for a rather typical iron-rich spherule found in sample 2. Elemental contents in atomic percent are approximately: O (60 ± 2), Fe (39 ±2.5), Mn (0.7), Si (0.4); the small C peak is likely from the carbon conductive tab used to hold the sample; the O/Fe ratio of approximately 1.5 suggests that Fe2O3 is present, iron (III) oxide (see endnote).
4. Discussion of relevant previously-published data
4.1. Observations of iron-rich and silicate spherules
Iron-rich spherules were also observed in studies conducted by the RJ Lee company [1] and the US Geological Survey (USGS) [2]. In particular, a USGS report on the WTC dust provides two micrographs of “iron-rich spheres” [3] and a “bulbous” or tear-drop-shaped silicate droplet [4] (see images below). WTC High Temp Fig 6
WTC High Temp Fig 7 No explanation for the presence of these iron-rich and silicate spheres (which imply very high temperatures along with droplet formation) is given in the published USGS reports. The RJ Lee report also provides a micrograph and XEDS data for iron-rich spheres observed in the WTC dust; for example, their figure 21 (below, left) shows an “SEM image and EDS of spherical iron particle [1].” We likewise observe high-iron, relatively low oxygen spheres (e.g., below right and Fig. 4), which we find are unlike spheres gathered from cutting structural steel with an oxyacetylene torch.
WTC High Temp Fig 8
WTC High Temp Fig 9
See source (.pdf) / HTML version for the entire article.
The Jones et al paper also mentions how two of their authors obtained additional, unpublished information from the USGS after pursuing a Freedom of Information Act action. The USGS team had observed and studied a molybdenum-rich spherule. Here is another excerpt... 4.3. Molybdenum spherule in the USGS data set
Two of the authors pursued a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) action with the USGS to obtain any additional SEM/XEDS data from them which had not been previously published. The new data demonstrated, significantly, that the USGS team had observed and studied a molybdenum-rich spherule which was not mentioned in the earlier reports. A micrograph image shows a bright pill-shaped spherule labeled “20MOSPH-1.TIF” (below). The brightness of the object suggests that backscattered electron imaging was used in acquiring the image (the report notes that this technique was used in the study), and that indeed a heavier metal such as Mo is present in the oblong spherule. (We see similar shapes; see SEM image below right and Fig. 1.)
WTC High Temp Fig 10
WTC High Temp Fig 11
After some technical comments, the paper says: We discern that considerable study was performed on this Mo-rich spherule, given the number of images and XEDS plots for it, yet these data were not previously released in the public USGS reports.
So, the existence of the molybdenum spherule is evidence of a previously molten state, as with the iron and aluminosilicates also mentioned in the paper. At around 2,610 to 2,623 ºC (4,753 ºF), molybdenum has one of the highest melting points of all pure elements, although the addition of other elements would lower it. Molybdenum is used to improve the strength of steels at high temperatures, and was included in some of the pressure vessel steels A 302, A 533, A542, and A514-65. (See page 17 or "43 of 86" from NIST NCSTAR 1-3A, their report on structural steel specifications.)
Molybdenum was also specified in some of the Japanese steel such as WEL-TEN 80, and is a possible extra in JIS G3114-73. Japanese steel was used to fabricate the perimeter columns and spandrels.
Yawata Iron and Steel Co. supplied most of the steel to PC&F for the perimeter columns and spandrels. In general, the exterior (or web) and side (or flange) plates of each column and the spandrels were fabricated from Japanese steel, and the interior web plate was fabricated from domestic steel. Source (same link as previous, see page 22 or "48 of 86")
In the WTC2 fire zone of floors 77-83, some 11.5% of the perimeter column steel was rated at 100 ksi yield strength. [See NIST Appendix E, June 04, Table E-4.] Yawata Iron and Steel Co. (now Nippon Steel) shipped 46,000 metric tons of WEL-TEN 60, 60R, 62, 70 and 80 to PC&F (Pacific Car and Foundry). The WEL-TEN 80 is rated at 100 ksi, so the source of the molten molybdenum may well have been 100 ksi perimeter columns.
An office compartment fire could not have melted any steel members, much less molybdenum. However, if the Jewish Mafia had installed iron(III) oxide-based thermate in the hollow perimeter columns so as to simulate a top-down collapse induced by "impact and fire damage", the thermate's ability to generate temperatures of 2,500 ºC (4,532 ºF) would have been capable of melting some molybdenum alloyed with iron and other elements.
There does appear to be an error in the Jones et al paper. The authors imply that the RJ Lee report's findings that "the presence of lead oxide on the surface of mineral wool indicates the existence of extremely high temperatures during the collapse which caused metallic lead to volatilize, oxidize, and finally condense on the surface of the mineral wool" is indicative of a controlled demolition, because "The temperature required to volatilize/boil lead is 1,740 ºC or 3,164 ºF [8]. No explanation for the origin of the indicated “extremely high temperatures during the collapse” is offered in the RJ Lee report."
But the RJ Lee report merely says that the lead "volatilized" - i.e. evaporated - prior to oxidizing and condensing. Water, for example, will evaporate at well below its boiling point, and this is also true for lead. Metallic lead evaporates at only 1,100 ºF (593 ºC), compared to its boiling point of 1,749 ºC. ["Vaporisation" can refer to evaporation or boiling.]
However, the Jones, Farrer et al paper is a useful contribution. It corroborates the countless reports of molten steel and molten metal by documenting the iron-rich spherules, as well as other data such as molten silicates and molybdenum. 1,480 ºC, for example, is regarded as a "low" melting point for silicates. Around 12 to 18 months ago, the apologists for Zionist terrorism and warfare were questioning whether the observed molten steel was really just molten aluminum, even though the source of the reports included PhD-level scientists and structural engineers. Now the shills and useful idiots have to deny forensic evidence that has been gathered and analysed by several groups working independently.
The above video is the first in a series of six of Prof. Steven E Jones speaking at a Los Angeles event, February 23, 2008. He starts by saying how he got an email from someone purporting to be an "engineer who had contacts at Homeland Security", who said that publication of Jones' paper could be "stopped", and that if he would "change research direction", there was a very good chance he would get grant money. Much of part 1 is an introduction to 9/11, mentioning matters such as the "young man" at the Pentagon who asked, "do the orders still stand?" In the second half of Part 3, Jones debunks straw man hypotheses such as "no planes" and "nuclear bombs".
By the second half of part 4 he is telling about the previously molten spheres from the dust samples, how John Parulis caught some dust from a thermite reaction that was found to contain similar spheres, how a WTC dust sample collected 20 minutes after the second collapse showed the same spheres (refuting the reality deniers' claim that the spheres were formed by oxyacetylene torches in the clean-up), and the similarity of the composition to commercial thermite. See here or here for the remainder. The latter also has some videos of Richard Gage and Cynthia McKinney speaking at the Feb 23 event. See here for a report by Dr Jones on the Feb 23 event.
There are some audio files here of Richard Gage on mainstream radio, and the hosts are not supporters of the official conspiracy theory. Indeed, Peter B Collins says explicitly [6:17] that he is "persuaded by" the evidence for controlled demolition.
The above 18-second video shows the WTC "meteorite", described as molten steel, concrete and other things, fused together by the heat.
This video is 82 minutes, but is a comprehensive presentation by physicist Steven Jones at the 9/11 Symposium in West Hartford CT on 3rd November 2007. Audio quality is very good.
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, as of 24th March 2008, have 300 architectural and engineering professionals and 1165 other supporters including A/E students who have signed their petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation. The Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice have plenty of members. And this is after the shills and useful fools have broken away to pursue their "beam weapons" and other half-baked notions.
9/11 is even being discussed in detail at Wikipedia. Much of the comments here are opposed to the government account.
Jim Hoffman's 9-11 Research site has a good analysis of the merits of various demolition theories. The thermobaric devices and distributed explosives methods could have been employed together with thermate (thermite with sulfur added). However, the serious investigator may safely discount the exotic and untenable theories.
But isn't it interesting that we have this bizarre 'coincidence' that Jews demolished the WTC, Jews comprise a fraction of one percent of the world population, and yet there are many Jews involved in the 9/11 investigation who 'accidentally' conclude that it was the "US government" or some other group who attacked the WTC? Similarly, whenever Jews investigate the WTC demolition and have their 'work' hosted at sites that are owned and edited by Jews, they 'accidentally' plump for the wrong hypothesis, and then stubbornly refuse to change to a hypothesis that is in accordance with the evidence.
Some concentrate on whodunit, others on how they did it. I am interested in both. But it's great to see that Dr Jones and his associates have chosen to be apolitical, concentrating on forensic evidence of the crime, so the perpetrators and shills cannot easily play the "anti-semitism" card.
There is a prima facie case for a criminal investigation. In the event that Arabs demolished a UN building with thermite to create the illusion that Israel had fired on it, and Israel held forensic proof of this hypothetical controlled demolition, the media would be shouting the news from the rooftops.
The government's continuing promotion of the "Arab hijackers" myth is proof enough of their complicity, at best, as an accessory to mass murder. Given that the Jewish Mafia has grown to be more powerful than governments, the fingerprints of Israel, the Mossad and Zionists are all over the WTC demolitions, and the perpetrators require control of the mainstream media in order to maintain their deceptions, whodunit is a foregone conclusion.
Unless and until Jews stop covering for the crimes of the Jewish Mafia, Zionism will be synonymous with criminality, and Judaism will be synonymous with mental disease. Posted in
Israel has no knowledge of plans to release Jonathan Pollard from prison in the United States, where he is serving a life sentence for spying on Israel's behalf, political sources familiar with the matter said in response to statements by Pensioner Affairs Minister Rafi Eitan in an interview Monday night with the Knesset television channel.
Eitan, who headed the secret Bureau of Scientific Relations that recruited and handled Pollard in the 1980s, said Monday that Pollard will be released soon. However, in response to a query from Haaretz, he subsequently emphasized that his words were based on "an intuition." Eitan added that he regretted his earlier statement, because anything he says might make things worse for Pollard, and that he should have said, "I hope" Pollard will be released.
--MORE-- Posted by CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS mparent7777 Marc Parent CCNWON at 9:34 AM Labels: eitan, israel, mossad, pollard, spying
Jonathan Pollard should be repeatedly HUNG for his crimes against We The People.
And last, but hardly least...this put a smile on my face, as the middle class now realizes that their bottom line is in imminent danger:
About 60 protesters opposed to the Federal Reserve's help in bailing out Bear Stearns entered the lobby of the investment bank's Manhattan headquarters Wednesday, demanding assistance for struggling homeowners.
Demonstrators organized by the Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America chanted "Help Main Street, not Wall Street" and entered the lobby without an invitation for about half an hour before being escorted out by police.
"There are no provisions for homeowners in this deal. There are people out there struggling who need help," said Detria Austin, an organizer at NACA, an advocacy group for home ownership.
Bear Stearns employees were alternatively amused and perplexed, taking pictures on their cell phones.
"Homeowners, that's more than $1 trillion (in mortgage debt), you're crazy," one man in a suit screamed at a protester on the street.
On March 16, JPMorgan Chase said it would acquire its rival the Bear Stearns for $2 per share, in a deal brokered by the Federal Reserve aimed at heading off a bankruptcy and a spreading crisis of confidence in the global financial system.
On Monday, JPMorgan raised its offer to about $10 a share to appease angry stockholders who vowed to fight the original deal.
As part of the deal, the Fed agreed to guarantee up to $29 billion of Bear Stearns assets.
The agreement has raised concerns that the US government is prepared to help rescue a failing Wall Street bank while declining to bail out millions of home owners facing the possibility of foreclosure. Copyright 2008 Reuters. Click for restrictions.
URL: http://www.cnbc.com/id/23813173/ I was getting ready for work, and listening to 1010WINS, when I first heard the news - I believe that the rEVOLution is beginning!
Let's see what develops...later for now, dear readers.
I am going to destroy you bloody neoCONS! I think that about sums it up.
If I am ever "suicided", please KNOW THAT I WAS MURDERED by the BCFCE (Bush/Clinton Family Crime Empire)!
Other "sucides" include Deborah Jeane Palfrey, Danny Casolaro, John F. Kennedy, Jr., Dorothy Kilgallen, James Hatfield, Gary Webb, Don Wiley, James Forrestal, David Kelly, Paul Wellstone, J. Clifford Baxter, David Kellermann, Benazir Bhutto and Vincent Foster, to name a few.
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